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Alright, this is another issue of finding out whos better in what… The players are same as always…Linux vs Wind0z. Though it all started with google.

DISCLAIMER: We are not promoting any individuals and/or any companies here, we are just fighting over some issues regarding them. Yeah, thats how it is! If you wanna join the club, start commenting! ITS A BLOG-FIGHT!!!!!! YEAAAAAAAHHHHHH!

Vaibhav Gera: Woooww Its really a special day with Google announcing Chrome OS! May God Save Microsoft!! > http://trunc.it/rfs1

Nitin Khatri
Another Linux = Fail!
Vaibhav Gera
Dude i have used linux and trust me its much bettr than windows.. n ds time it will be by google cant fail!!
Nitin Khatri
I’ve used Mac/Ubuntu/Fedora/OpenSuse /RedHat as well.
Windows wins hands down on support and available software.
Anyway..
Talking about Google
Gtalk – Fail
Picasa – Fail
Google Pack – Fail
Google Desktop – Fail
Google Video – Fail
Google Chrome Browser – Fall- flat- on-your-face Fail
and Google Mobile OS Android isn’t really their own.
Vaibhav Gera
i guess its just d diff of how u see it!!
Gtalk is the only im i use n all my friends are here on gtalk and d no. of ppl online on gtalk in my list is anyday much much bigger than yahoo or or msn whn i used to use them
Picasa – i have 4 diff picasa acc’s that manages online backup of all my pics n which are uploaded in the most simple way thru picasa
i used google video coz i cud upload video and keep them unlisted and shared them only with ppl i wanted now i use youtube {Bought by google}
i hv used IE,Opera,Firefox,Safari,Mi nefield and u knw what d only browser i love is chrome coz its lite dsnt suck up my ram and is stable!! {dnt use developer version if u cant handle crashes}
d fact that u wrote android as google mobile os it makes it a property of google n its still in its 1st phase n is doing good
social networking am a bigger fan of google’s Orkut than facebook!!
Microsoft is just crap, to remove every damm trozen in windows i have to go to linux to delete them..
Vaibhav Gera
Linux is fun with lots of effects which even vista cant provide and that too at system requirements much less than what vista requires!! safe secure lite n zippy thats what linux is!
Nitin Khatri
1. Gtalk in India has a large userbase thanks to Orkut.
2. I was talking about Picasa Desktop Photo Organizer
3. Youtube, was already awesome, they just bought it out cuz they couldnt beat it.
4. Why use Chrome if you’re low on ram, Use Lynx :D
5. Windows has the best games available after PS3, so lets not talk about fun.
Nitin Khatri
Oh, and btw talkin’ about cloud computing, Microsoft Azure has been there for quite a while.
Shashank Singh
[1]Lynx is Text based browser , i am not sure if i see lots of text and no picture , even Fb would be of any use ,,just my 2 cents
[2]Amazon ews has been even longer [ Technically it's cloud computing at larger scale]
[3]dont use word better ,becuase it depends on user to user , yeah but sure Microsoft windows XP has more games .
but then Nintendo Wii , MS Xbox are also there,
if somebody still uses PC for playing games
you are missing on out games case in point Halo3 never came for PC
and well fun has varying definitions for different users, i know some people who prefer playing 2d games rather full blown 3d games
[4]The next Version of Firefox would consume even lesser RAM and would have start up time comparable to Chrome
[5]before being bought ,Youtube was under heavy losses because although they were numero uno ,they really had no idea how to monetize this traffic, google bought them because they exactly knew how to get them profitable.
Shashank Singh
some body once told me “Microsoft’s master business plan: “Wait until somebody else has a hit. Then copy it.” , sorry couldn’t help but quip this one :)
Shashank Singh
yeah btw for linux haters , use whatever you want , who cares what OS somebody uses atleast i for one give a f*** ,
but i will give you a analogy :
there are 4 types of programmer
[1].Net
[2]Java
[3]C
[4]C++
the List in Decreasing amount of numebr of coders and in INCREASING amount of “Monetary Compensation” on same level of experiece
and well i wont say Linux has no problems but then if there was a 100% problem free OS i would be the first to use it [ XP has more problem even in driver land , even nividi'a driver for open gl on 8000 series has awesome performance issues but not for linux ]
Shashank Singh
one more reply to this flame war and then i am off to eating heads of windows users , just kidding , :) ..
Even though you branded All the product of Google as fail they have collectively more than 40 Billion USD in cash+stocks ,
the day i open my own company i will try getting hold of you and get all my products branded as “fail” so that even i can reach this 40 billion usd mark.
just kidding :D
Shashank Singh
ab btw in reply at 1:26 pm b interchange postion of c and c++
Nitin Khatri
You contradict yourself way too much. I assume you’re a developer, not a tech enthusiast. :p
Nitin Khatri
And about quotes there is one for Linux as well.
“Linux is only free if your time has no value.”
Shashank Singh
well ,i am writing realities of Tech world , people would use OS whatever they want, and that’s there fundamental right , i use linux that doesn’t whole world has to use it..but if somebody says Windows is technically better ,gimme 5 minutes and i can shred his viewpoint :) ,and i would galdly do it..but surely not on fb
Nitin Khatri
We’re talking about Global Acceptance, do you really want to say Linux is being used by people other than third world govt orgs/tech nerds / and web hosts?
Shashank Singh
Good quote on Linux :) ..i guess Linux requires time but then which OS doesn’t ,remind me a time when you never had to install a single driver for Windows line up of OS :) or when you were not baffled by why-the-f-is-screen-gettin g-blank/blue-in-vista ..anwyays i digress
Global acceptance ,good point bro :) i guess then spain /Gemrnay /italy also comes under category of 3 rd world government cause they use linux .
Btw you Can keep on asking rhetorical question and i would try modestly reply to your questions.but in vain ;if you really want answers blog about it and i will answer but not on FB.. i am not on FB to fight for linux ,i just replied here cause one of my friend wanted me to reply
and if you need a list of who uses linux call me , i can provide you with big list .. .
Essentially everything boils down to it’s not a perfect world and composite solution with both lnux/bsd/*nix[Mac os x] and windows can coexist :)
Nitin Khatri
Look at it this way.

3 people on this page.
All have used Linux,
1 is still using it,
other two quit and came back to Windows.End of story. :))Beat that!

Nitin Khatri
and about time Linux has had around 2 decades now.
The truth is any free OS won’t survive, it needs to picked up by an organization that is less evil than Apple, and then sold to people. And Google can’t do that, they’ve a history of making featureless products, and any such product won’tcrush Windows so easily.
Abhijeet Anand
Did I just hear a meek voice of some Broken ‘Windows and Panes’ user.. oh yes I did.. :P
the score actually goes up further in favour of Linux.. Here I present to you ladies and gentlemen the Linux User.. Abhijeet himself..
talking of countries.. here in Australia.. starting from universities, to companies and governments.. use Unix/*nix based systems and servers.. I never knew that european countries and australia has been pushed into the dark ages of 3rd world countries..
coming to the point where the existence of linux was put into question.. as far as anyone not-so-ignorant’s guess goes.. the Unix/*nix was there way before even when any windows (broken all the time) could have taken a form of a zygote, speaking chronologically.. dunno where the sperm came from.. wherever it came from. it was faulty :)
and its true that world is full of nincompoops paying for a software which is much prone to viruses than me.. and voila.. its for those not-so-lucky enough guys that linux removes
Abhijeet Anand
the viruses..
now again talking of windows. the number of fix-its required for windows supersedes linux everyday.. eh.. what was the last time I hear the plight of a windows user.. eh just few hours ago.. and still he was praising windows. the lesson I learnt.. more the person is fucked up by the already fucked up shit like windows. the more he seems to try not to show his plight and instead praise it.. so better not help/argue with him. cause with them this idioms seems to fit perfectly in the puzzle..
“Never argue with an idiot. They will bring you down to their level and then beat you with their experience.”

and 4 just putting the final word here.. for those poor souls who always have to search for drivers everytime they install a new hardware.. Linux does not have such pain in the ass stuffs to be done..
cheers
and btw.. google making feature less products.. I see that whole of the world uses Google Search more than they use any microsoft product taken all together.. cheers mates

Nitin Khatri
Jeez, stop playin that Virus shit already.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wi ki/Linux_malware
Nitin Khatri
How much did you pay Google last time you looked up your name?
PS. Next time try to make a point.
Abhijeet Anand
actually yes.. that shit in windows still outnumbers the numbers of that shit in linux.. unless people dont believe the statistics.. which significantly displays their lack in information assimilation.. and btw.. the link that you have posted. you need to read it properly .. cheers..:)
as it somewhere clearly says that the vulnerable machines are the ones storing Microsoft format files.. which a linux does as a benevolent giveaway to windows.. lol
Nitin Khatri
Tch Tch.. The point was viruses exist, against your claim. Do you really suffer from short term memory loss?
Btw i’ve had better reasoning from school kids. Grow up or quit getting into uninvited fights.
Abhijeet Anand
oh so thats what you do with google.. you look up your name.. so much of insecurity.. that a news that windows users also have such insecurities that they need to look up their names over the net.. using the Google service..
and the point that was to be made was clear enough that Windows is a fucked up shit like its users.. and who are scared enough to use something which is ingenious in its inception and one which offers them what they deserve without any price tag.. with much better stability and features and transparency than anything else has ever offered in the arena,, so good luck mate with your windows.. and do call up the fix-it guys whenever it breaks again, and I hope that gets fixed in a jiffy.. my wishes with you.. cause I have learnt my lesson as I quoted earlier..
Nitin Khatri
Epic Fail!
Vaibhav man, Shashank was better, bring him back! lol
Abhijeet Anand
and as far as the invitation goes.. well what to say.. the one who came univited to the thread at the first place is the one I suppose you yourself with a magnificent comment like “Linux = Fail”.. never knew that you also self-contradicted while preaching other not to
Shashank Singh
lol , flame wars at best … leave it @Nitin :bro this is not fight .it’s a discussion ,so dont make it one ..
we ,as in linux users ,are not here to make you a linux user because even we understand if everyone has different needs ,so for love of all thats good ,try blogging ..so that people could really discuss and dont bitch around .. with childish games like “3 people on page and only one linux user,so linux is lame ” or “863 virus exist for linux but ONLY 11,000 virus exist for windows , so linux is lame ” ,
btw one of my friend who saw your repliy she commented
“3 people on the page ,all used linux , only one of them is intelligent ” ;)
Nitin Khatri
Well I don’t really start arguing my friend’s friends. Its called etiquette, google it. ;)
Vaibhav Gera
Man!! Lookslike i have created a battle ground! What was the initial status BTW!! Google bringing an os, good coz am bored of windows.. Nitin everything apart reading ur msgs here makes me recall the days i was a windows fan just like u n defended it until i faced some serious bugs!! After switching over to linux, It wa fun!! A new OS which eats less ram, Very secure and very stable!! No driver issues, Kyle the scintific wordprocessor helped me get an A+ in my foinal year project!! The 3d effects made my computing experiance awesome!! Windows is ok n we love it just coz thats the 1st os we encounter in life but when u grow up you realize that it was just a toy and now u need to move on to bigger things n dr linux comes into picture!! Spend half the time u spent on windows n u’ll love it! Just coz its free doesn’tr mean its useless!! U get a pirated copy of windows n u think u saved a lot of money n hv done a remarkable job by installing it bt the truth is its just useless!!
Shashank Singh
naah neither do i , but then Vaibhav is my friend , and he wanted me too ..so i did
Shashank Singh
@Vaibhav :hehe , diplomatic reply ..i should learn that from you :P
Vaibhav Gera
except windows none of the microsoft products is worth it! Google on the other end revolutionized everything!! Change the way we search, we chat, 7 GB of email storage, Google apps for website thanks to which i have admin@passionvaibhav.com man!! world i moving on to Open source better you break those locks and join the revolution!!
Vaibhav Gera
@shashank nt diplomatic at all man!! i love linux, Google hate microsoft!! n am sure Google’s Chrome OS will make others leave Windows too coz unlike other linux versions which ppl ithout trying say thats its difficult chrome os will be simple n stable n easy to use n easy to install plus its google so it will make definately shake microsoft!!
Shashank Singh
btw The real benefit from Google web/chrome os would be ,your apps could be now in Javascript , HTML , VBscript , Flash ,. insert your fav. language here just like Adobe air which i hear is partner of Google in this [source :techtree ]
so adobe air should be by default supported ..that would be awesome.. just think about someone who wants to make a new app for system he can just use 5 lines of html and be done with it .. i for one would love too see it ..
considering Chrome already supports HTML 5 & SVG awesome possiblites with 5 lines of code opens up ,which IMHO would take atleast 500 lines in C++/c [ex : video streaming , animations ]
Nitin Khatri
I’m not a windows fan, or a microsoft lover for heaven’s sake. It’s the only thing that works for most people, and Linux community needs to understand this. I always said I’ve used Linux, it was very hard adapting too, and most of the softwares don’t have a linux version. And read from top to bottom, there was never a point when I said Linux wasn’t good technically, I just said it lacks support and software availability. But I guess Linux world doesn’t really wish to improvise itself before asking for switch overs.
Shashank Singh
@Nitin : bro , yeah Linux has problems ,we all know that but saying anything from other side wont help anyone .. cross the bridge come to this side of enthusiastic linux users,we promise we wont bite you ;)
…..
help the community ,pitch your ideas..mold the Linux os to your will and make it suit your taste ..
This in my humble opinion is one of the biggest things in open source , you dont like it you can change it ..
which no closed source os has , not even mac’s .. so instead of just using it be a LEADER and lead linux from obscurity to state of “Global Acceptance” , your words :) ..hope to meet you in some free/open community .. btw you can start with throwing a mozilla firefox release party ..do invite us ;)
Shashank Singh
@Vaibhav : btw awesome post man , i had inkling that something of this might be coming for long .. but not expected this huge release..once again thansk for this awesome post ,keep them coming:)
Nitin Khatri
I’m not a developer actually, more of a power user, and looking forward to Windows 7. N Yes I use firefox :) Works for me with gazillion extensions :p
Shashank Singh
so what , open source needs power users constructive input , hang around in some forum , tell them whats hot and whats not .. in bit more constructive terms.. and hey will appreciate that

i am enumertaing some project/communities which might need your help ,in case you wanna help someone :)
[1] http://windows.kde.org/ kde 4 on windows http://windows.kde.org/download.php
[2] Songbird on Windows http://getsongbird.com/
[3] Scribus on Windows http://www.scribus.net/?q=windows
[4] coLinux on Windows http://www.colinux.org/
etc etc :)

Nitin Khatri
I’ve used most of these, songbird isn’t something I like.. rest all didn’t work at first. ;)
Nitin Khatri
I’ve grown over forums actually. I like the idea though. Thanks anyway, catch ya’all sm othr time.
Shashank Singh
@Nitin : good night bro :) ,
btw this is a good place to start , just pitch your ideas here
http://forum.kde.org/viewforum.php?f=83

but please next dont make fun of anyone or any product by saying “Linux = Fail” or “Abhijeet = Epic fail “, once you say this you have crossed the metaphorical rhyne river,,theres is no coming back from that and flame war ensues .so if you dont like soemthing say it exactly
and well this is AFAIK net-etiqutte :)

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20 Responses to “Yet Again…( Linux + Google ) vs Wind0z”
  1. lol! Nw whr d hell ws I? Nice 1 :) And globally, LINUX \m/ JUIT…poor windows..wo b XP!!

  2. yeah..
    and i’m just so amazed to see, how uninformed and oblivious people in the IT industry can be.

    # Linux lacks support..lol lol..just cant stop laughing!!!
    # Regarding Nitin’s point “most softwares for windows”… I would like to correct that statement by saying.. “There are many softwares for windows platform for which there is no port for Linux”. And FYI: “There are many softwares for Linux that HAVE a windows port”.

  3. LOL , ithough there are parts of communication which i would liked to be heading in different direction .

  4. @Chiky : wine is doing pretty good job of bridging the gap :) , of haves and have-nots in software world .. lets hope someday linus based os’s just work :)

  5. *”just works” so that no one has even a slight chance of griping againt linux ;)

  6. thanks @passionvaibhav at twitter for posting link to blog :)

  7. Oh chiky boy (girl?) why just why were you not on the facebook page itself? :))

  8. And by software I didn’t mean Gimp, Blender, or just any software for the sake of being a software. I meant ones that are industry standards. And they don’t have a linux version, how many industry standard softwares are available for linux?, not everybody who uses a computer uses it to code. Designers use Windows/Mac, and not everyone can afford a Mac system. I’ll agree Windows blows, but that has nothing to do with the fact that linux is struggling to gain acceptance. I don’t know where it’d be if it wasn’t free. I don’t think we’d even be talking about it.

  9. @nitin: dude, you’re too ignorant… cant u see my pic? And i think you don’t need a gynecologist to figure that out that..
    Anyways, i was not in the discussions because..firstly, this is better and secondly i was not on vaibhav’s friend list.
    Well, talking about industry…see some statistics for Linux and windows.. Super Computers (industry specific..thay arent built at homes): http://www.top500.org/stats/list/30/osfam
    Around 70% of the servers are linux based (used in “industry”).
    And well, as far as the software is concerned, who says Linux software isnt industry standards? Just because you yourself arent comfortable with using them…doesnt make them low-standard. Many organisations (and in-fact countries) are using Linux software for production purposes.

    And if Linux wasnt free, it would be in ruins by now..rotting and restricting..like windows. There wouldnt have been so many technical advancements, new technologies coming up and well, there wouldn’t have been so many technically strong people who dare to do things which others dont even think of, there wouldn’t have been those OS developers/hackers and well, there wouldnt have been those effects in vista. ;)

  10. @Nitin :dude , then you are not abreast with happenings , Every Big Movie Studio in this world has a combination of Mac and Linux ,
    talking about Industry Standard Software
    [1] Maya
    [2] Lucas ILM openEXR
    [3] Pixar’s Renderman
    [4] Autodesk BackBurner
    etc.
    which of these is not industry standard ,,
    yeah i know 3d’s max is missing but AFAIK Most of the movie out there prefer Maya over 3d’s max ,case in point all thee spiderman movies and scoo movies etc etc

  11. btw forgot to mention all of them run on linux

  12. @Chiky – The whole point of the argument was that linux isn’t ready to dethrone Windows yet. It really needs to get its act together, and it’s really not winning any hearts by calling Windows users shitty, lol. And chiky my friend, I really didn’t mean that Linux shouldn’t exist, what I meant was that Linux has been a failure as a Desktop OS, the closest it could get is with Ubuntu.
    Linux really needs to shed its ‘I’m for geeks’ tag, and the Command Line now. Not everybody fancies typing commands to download security updates. We humans are idiots we prefer the mouse somewhat.
    And mate Supercomputers? You’re really going that far? Softwares on supercomputers are custom made anyway.
    You really don’t need to talk about the greatness of Linux, and stop calling people ignorant because they don’t want to switch to linux. The one lacking is linux not us. We tried it failed. :)

    @ Shanky – I’m a 3d artist, and I know about these. Renderman and Backburner come into use when the users interaction is done, and it just needs to output the data, and thus a featureless OS is perfect, they’d even use Windows CE so to speak. Maya is the only industry standard in the list, but then I could name over ten 3d programs for Windows that do the same job.

  13. @Nitin : you sound frustrated with linux, maybe some bad history with linux, anyways i m not judging you.
    When you say linux isnt ready to dethrone windows, google has lot of flops, windows is the common man’s os; what i see here is kids fighting for what they like, and are in love with their choices.

    We dont advocate or evangelize Linux, just love helping humanity and believe in competition rather than monopoly, as it is competition itself that helps us evolve faster. My evidence would be innovations coming out from opensource compared to ones from closed source.

    I agree with your point that there is no common single authority/owner for linux(you do get support on payment though), whom we can go and blame if it dosen’t work, or get support for it spoonfeeded. It does take time to learn and when used for projects, you do need expertise. However we need to know what we are coding, what is it made up of; what we love is bringing the software apart, then studying, experimenting and customizing it to our own needs(which Microsoft prevents us to do so :( ). Better Software is created when you opensource the code and someone somewhere gets an idea and builts something upon it, thus evolution at a faster rate.

    Yes, there are many distros for Linux and choices sometimes confuse people, as they usually want easier way out by just being given one in form of prepackaging in hardware. Also, in human psycology, free has bad notions, and people usually tend to buy costly stuff, as they then feel sense of security. All these things apart, windows does win for service based companies and non technical people because there is someone to take responsibility if something goes wrong, which is not the case with linux/gnu where if it fails then you need to figure out yourself or google it.

    So please dont fight that which is better as it totally matters on your goals. We are just here to spread awareness, we dont get anything out of it other than good feeling of helping thy neighbour and making world a better technical place which is only possible if you share the knowledge. And thanks to Shanky/Priks/Priyesh for sharing it with me in college days, as i otherwise would have been an ignorant and slave to a single company.

    PS : Philosophy apart, Linux is not perfect(neither is Windows as a matter of fact), so instead of wasting time on useless debates, help yourself or help the community(which inturn will help you), and flame wars like these hardly helps anyone, as i saw no new creative learning in this. The only reason I write this(and my last) is to tell fellow mates(that also includes you) to help those who need it rather than preaching.

    @Shanky : i did learn new things from your comments though as they did have evidence and explanation. Its better way to justify, good i will also use that in future.

    Adios..

  14. @Nitin : Windows CE and 3d apps , well you do sound geek :P but really no one does that because too much processing
    but seriosly speaking i know about which dont run on Linux ,the whole adobe lineup of smoke ,flame , combustion ,after effects and bla bla
    and that’s why i said composite OS solution ,dont you really read what i write .

  15. btw i dont know about you , but in banglore i have met tons of artists who have used open source apps in their graphics pipeline ,,btw there is a reason why it’s called graphcis pipeline ,,because not one app can do all , and not every app runs good on every OS :) hence the composite solution

  16. @nitin: As i said above, you are ignorant on some issues… Linux IS NOT just command line. It is one of the misconceptions people have. We have a fully grown GUI to do anything to everything, regarding controlling of the machine. Search for “YAST” on google, you’ll be amazed. ;)
    Regarding supercomputers, they are customised..as you said. Please give me one lead to customise windows for a supercomputer? And i’m talking about windows users…not some MS employee who has the code. I have seen people hacking linux for supercomputer, they might be linux geeks, but yes, they have done it and they’re like you and me…
    And i dont wanna comment on whether linux is lacking or is it you…because what i know is that we should know the advantages/disadvantages of every technology and when/why/how to use or not to use it.

    in the end, agreed with harsh sir… :)

  17. @ Shanky – Why talk about something you dont know at all? Backburner and Renderman are rendering apps, you don’t create anything in them, they are almost platform independent, and rely on the hardware, k?
    @ Chiky – To your surprise I’ve used Yast in opensuse, it was good, but it didn’t mean that we won’t need to use command line. Because there is no website, where you could go and check for security patches. I’m glad you agree with Harsh at least, but people lose their patience when things don’t work as they should, and the solution is locked up in linux forums.
    @ Harsh – Well, when you read everyone else’s comment on this page, you’d know whose advocating what. I admit windows isn’t a great OS, but it works for me, and most people, what we need is a Big Corp to make an OS that’s not free (linux – so they can support it) or costly (mac) so people can afford it, to break the Windows’ winning streak and unruly monopoly.

  18. @nitin: For security/other patches, we have “repositories”. As you said, you’ve used YAST, you must be knowing that it presents with a list of all types of patches that you can select to install. Its that easy, you don’t have to go to some website to check for new patches. And yeah, it has this automatic update feature also, which downloads and installs patches automatically…(just like in windows security center).
    And there are new patches every day, unlike windows, where theres some cracker who exploits it big time and then makes it in the news. After that MS takes note of it and issues a patch, after the damage has been done.
    Had it been open source, people would have themselves tried to fix the issue or at least report it to their bugzilla (or something), where some thousands of developers were ready to look into it and start to work for it. Just because, people cannot change the source of the OS or just get rid off the irritating things, they exploit it. It shows the frustration that people have in their minds regarding it. This is one of the reasons, why there are very less viruses for Linux systems (I don’t wanna start that whos safe here debate again, its a fact).

  19. @Nitin: once again “how many times should i say i know what backburner mananger and render man do” ,, i F**king know what render farms are ,,and f**king know what app is used for what because i had the pleasure of working with some artists and deploying some of aforementioned softwares ,so stop your personal comment like “Why talk about something you dont know at all? ” , and be little more constructive and just cite example of when you helped a FREE software instead of fighting and telling everyne how BAD they were , and we will be COOL :) .. cause actions speak louder than words and as for me in case you wanna know ..i contribute to open source .so does everyone else in this list in one way or other[NOT necessarily by coding] …
    BTW Linux is backed by corporations
    red hat , erstwhile sun , oracle, novell ,cannonical ,google [ first 3 had pure commercial interest , last 3 have end user products ]
    btw i like this intersting point “Big Corp to make an OS that’s not free (linux – so they can support it) or costly (mac) so people can afford it,”
    can you elaborate more on the point where you come up with only costly comps. are affordable by general masses,
    in case you don’t Apple’s Mac os uses most of the things from open source
    they used BSD kernel [MIT licensed , so need to contribute back]
    safari , drawer , etc etc [ is based on webkit a khtnml fork from , gpl licensed]
    CUPs as printer deamon [ well cups is gpl's]
    etc ..

  20. @Nitin : your pre-custom pc demand can be fullfilled from this http://open-pc.com/ vendor,but suprise they are not evil :D , this is a new venture from a Entrepreneur ,who is also from kde community and is responsible for social Desktop http://www.socialdesktop.org/ and openDesktop.org
    adn this will revolutionize the desktop world , i am really happy to be in middle of it ..
    try looking more and you will find everything
    and yast is not do all be all of things , it’s not end of open source inventions or experimentations we have few more tricks our sleeves .. so sayig things like we arent working on usability /user experience or new products is pure blasphemy [ not did you say that , but surely implied it ] . ..
    so check places like
    http://planetkde.org/
    http://www.planetqt.org/
    http://planet.banshee-project.org/
    http://www.planetsuse.org/
    http://planet.gnome.org/
    http://planet.ubuntu.com/
    http://www.go-mono.com/monologue/ [planet mono]
    http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/

    http://moblin.org/moblin-intro-video
    http://ivan.fomentgroup.org/blog/2009/07/10/lancelot-1-7-screencast-kde-4-3/
    http://aseigo.blogspot.com/2009/06/kde-43-plasma-overview-screencast.html or http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YjnCXKQ3MUc

    and then come back and tell us if you dont find innovation happening :) we would be more than delighted to listen to your problem ,and please be more detailed instead of saying this ,this and this doesn’t work .. post what would you like and what is right now there .. we will more than happy to tell you exactly how to file a wish on these system so they are worked on by developers..
    Dont worry we [open source people in general ]are a part of big community and disagreements are NOT a new thing and neither is trolling , so choose your way cause we love disagreement because they bring new things to table but abhor trolling … i am NOT saying your are trolling but please be more constructive as i outlined above

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